Listener Q&A: Reunion Romance and Dry Skin
Kate and Doree talk about the Sephora teen panic and Stanley Cup craze, easy moisturizer recommendations, 5-minute makeup routines, and a listener's experience with a facial that caused a breakout. Plus: they have a new conspiracy theory about skincare containers!
Kate prepares for a haircut and Doree gets lucky in a buy-nothing group before they hear from listeners about super drying skin conditions, worrying about not fitting in at a fancy hotel, and the promise of a reunion romance trope.
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Transcript
Kate: Welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer.
Doree: And I'm Doree Shafrir
Kate: And we're not experts.
Doree: We're not, we're two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Kate: Hello, Doree.
Doree: Hello.
Kate: I didn't mean to be creepy. Rolling in here, but Hello?
Doree: Hello, Kate.
Kate: I'm getting my hair cut tomorrow and I cannot.
Doree: Ooh, that's exciting.
Kate: It is. It's been like six months. I know I'm supposed to do it every two months, but it was, well, maybe not six, but I have to count on my hands. September, October, November, December, January, February. About six months, five months.
Doree: What are you going to do?
Kate: just a trim, Doree.
Doree: Just a trim. Trim.
Kate: Just get a little, some layers, some color. Can you see the tiny grays popping up here? Come on.
Doree: Not come through the camera. We not the camera.
Kate: Dammit. I want you to see my tiny grays. They're really coming in.
Doree: Yeah,
Kate: I'm into it, but I also like coloring my hair. I'm excited to go gray, but I love the shade of my hair when I dye it or highlight it or whatever. Anyway,
Doree: Well, I'm excited to see your new hair tomorrow.
Kate: I don't think it's going to look any different. I don't expect anybody to notice. Certainly not in my home, but that's okay. I just like having a little, just a every few months and just
Doree: I love A juje
Kate: Spice it up a little bit.
Doree: That's great. That is great.
Kate: Thank you. I'm trying to lean into the short hair side part situation that I have going on.
Doree: Oh, interesting. Okay. Okay. I mean, look, we have to embrace who we are.
Kate: Well, since I previously was irritated by the idea that we're expected or that I feel pressure to adhere to Gen Z's style standards.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: I was kind of like, you know what? I'm just going to side part my hair. I think that's what looks better. But then I read something that was like, side parts are back everybody.
Doree: I mean, but that's the thing, right? That if you keep chasing all this stuff,
Kate: You're going to be chasing forever. Yeah,
Doree: Exactly.
Kate: Running around in circles.
Doree: Yeah, yeah,
Kate: Yeah. And which is all to say, please, middle part your hair, please shave your hair. I'm learning and I've been gently encouraged by some listeners to let it go.
Doree: Let it go. Yeah. Totally.
Kate: Can't hold me back anymore.
Doree: That is one of Frozen is one of three movies that Henry has sat all the way through.
Kate: Well done, Henry. Well done. Frozen.
Doree: Yeah, well Done. Frozen.
Kate: It's a cute movie. I wept the first time I saw it and I, I'm still not sure why.
Doree: Interesting.
Kate: I took my daughter when she was two and a half. I had also just had a baby, so maybe she was almost three. I had a newborn. I had a young baby and a two and a half, 3-year-old and I just wept. I don't know, they're sisters. Maybe that's why. Hormones, emotions. I had big feelings all through Frozen. Oh
Doree: Wow.
Kate: Yeah. You didn't have that experience.
Doree: I did not have that experience, but I also didn't see it in the theater. So maybe that cinematic.
Kate: Well, also, yes. It was such a cultural moment. People were so obsessed with it. It kind of took over in a way that, I don't know if Encanto necessarily Encanto was huge, but I don't know.
Doree: I know what you mean. Yeah. Frozen really did something to the zeitgeist.
Kate: It really hit us God. And those were different times.
Doree: Those were different times. Yeah.
Kate: That was Obama presidency times. Yeah. Wow.
Doree: Yeah, It was a long time ago.
Kate: How are you doing over there, Doree?
Doree: I am. I'm hanging in there.
Kate: You're hanging in?
Doree: I'm hanging in.
Kate: That's as good as we can.
Doree: Hanging in. Just trying to take it day by day. Okay. Taking it day by day.
Kate: And how is today?
Doree: Today is a little weird because last night I was kind of coughing and so I took some cough medicine and then I woke up at four 15 for no real reason.
Kate: And did you fall back asleep? Because I was up then too. I was also a four AMR today
Doree: And I was reading, and then I started feeling nauseous, which is something that happens if I don't get enough sleep. So then I tried to sleep a little bit and I think I did drift off for a little while, but not really. And I've just been feeling sort of lightheaded all day. And I think it must be the combination of the cough medicine and not getting enough sleep.
Kate: Oh, I'm sorry.
Doree: So that's how I'm feeling, Kate.
Kate: That's annoying. That's not a fun way to feel.
Doree: But we did get, I'm in a buy nothing group on Facebook,
Kate: The best kind of group to be in, and
Doree: I got Henry a new scooter From the Buy Nothing group,
Kate: Which, and is he living his best life around?
Doree: He's living his best life, scooting around. And I just noticed that his previous, I was like, oh, that scooter's getting a little small. It was really starting to seem small and I was like, oh, a new scooter is like 150 bucks. It's a lot of money for A scooter,
Kate: not in a buy nothing group.
Doree: And then literally the next day someone posted in the Buy Nothing group and I was like, this is weird, but great. So he scooted to school today. He was so happy for his new scooter. It was just this nice moment. And then I did have a moment as I was walking home after dropping Henry off at school where I was like, things have been kind of tough for me lately, but I do feel like I've done a good job insulating Henry from it and he is really just living his best life.
Kate: Oh wow. You bring up a really interesting thing of just kind of existing as a parent with our own shit, but then also trying to raise your kids.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: Yeah. Good job. Doree.
Doree: I mean, look, I haven't figured everything out. I don't know how he's going to react when I tell him he can't have his birthday party at the place he has his heart set on because it's So Expensive. I think I might just tell him it's booked for the rest of the year.
Kate: Yeah, sorry. It doesn't exist anymore.
Doree: It closed, but he's four. You know what I mean?
Kate: Yeah. He's four.
Doree: He doesn't need to be looped in on all that stuff that he doesn't understand. That will just stress him out. So yes, it is kind of compartmentalizing, but also that is one area of my life that feels nice.
Kate: That's awesome
Doree: All joyful.
Kate: I love that.
Doree: As opposed to the rest of the shit. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't mean to crap on your
Kate: You didn't crap. We're allowed to have shit times in our life.
Doree: Yeah.
Kate: I think that's better to be, not better, but it's appropriate to be honest about it as opposed to, I don't know, forcing fake positivity.
Doree: Totally. Totally.
Kate: Do you want to hop into a listener question here?
Doree: Yeah, I'd love to too.
Kate: This one's kind been haunting me a little bit and not a bad way, but I just wanted to throw this out to you because someone wrote us recently and they said, hi, Kat and Dor help. I recently started working at a salt therapy room, which has lots of amazing health benefits, but when I'm there, it dries my skin out. Something fierce. I keep a thermal water spray with me, but I need something with more oomph. Rex love. Now I actually have no backup to this, what I'm about to tell you. I've tried to find evidence of this and I can't seem to find anything, but I feel like either in a conversation with a skincare expert or something, I read that actually thermal water sprays dry out your skin more than hydrate them.
Doree: Oh, Okay.
Kate: That is my first just observation here is that maybe that is not the product that you want to be applying.
Doree: Okay. This is interesting.
Kate: While you're in there, that's my first just kind of thought, but again, I don't have a study to hand you. I have a vague memory of a conversation.
Doree: Fascinating.
Kate: So take that expertise
Doree: you what this also sounds, this is pinging a faint bell for me as well.
Kate: Okay. I feel like it was Caroline, but I can't remember. So here I have two products that I really love that if this person wants to be s spraying something on their face, both of these are a little bit more packed with things that I think might be a bit more soothing to your skin. One is the hyaluronic acid and squalane facial toner mist called milkshake by Beekman 1802.
Doree: Okay.
Kate: We, I love this stuff. And then Krx makes something called a comfort Ceramide cream mist, which is this really nice kind of milky hydrating toner mist. So I think these have a little bit more than just a thermal water spray.
Doree: Fascinating.
Kate: But I would almost say that there needs to be some sort of pre moisturizing, maybe even like a slugging situation so that you're trapping the moisture onto your skin before you go into the salt therapy Room. You see where I'm going with This?
Doree: I do. Yeah. I was thinking like an Aquaphor kind of thing.
Kate: Yes. Now you are going to be gleaming,
Doree: Gleaming.
Kate: You're going to be in that salt therapy room shining like the petroleum covered star that you are, but I think it will be worth it. That sounds extremely drying. I would also get a nasal spray.
Doree: Oh, interesting. Okay.
Kate: Because not only does it dry your skin, but I find my nasal passages
Doree: Right
Kate: Are in pain after spending time in a very dry climate.
Doree: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Kate: I have a navage story.
Doree: Yeah. My husband has one,
Kate: which I know that your husband has one, which I fricking love using on a dry nostril. It is a real kind of gross journey. Essentially, they call it a nasal irrigation kit, and you put a sinus rinse and some warm distilled water into this compartment, and then you shove two little things into the edges of your nostrils and you turn it on and basically netty pots aggressively for you. And it is, but it gets in there. A dry nasal passage is a miserable feeling.
Doree: It's miserable. Yeah, it's really miserable.
Kate: I mean, so is dry skin also does not feel good, but I just want to note where else you might be feeling a little Dry, A little crusty. Yeah.
Doree: Kate, let's take a little break. Okay. Before we do that, I do just want to remind everyone that we have a website Forever35 podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mentioned on the show. We are also on Instagram @Forever35 podcast. You can join our Patreon at patreon.com/forever35. We have recaps of the oc. We have casual chats, which are basically just like bonus episodes. We have a discord. There's a lot happening. We have a newsletter at Forever35podcast.com/newsletter. Call or text us at (781) 591-0390 and email us at forever35podcast@gmail.com and we will now take a little break.
Kate: All right, we're back.
Doree: We are back. We have a voicemail.
Kate: Oh yeah, we do. And this person was very nice. I received some messages about people also dealing with the same weird shit. I'm dealing with histamine and this was one of the people who called.
Voicemail: Hi Kate. This is the first time for me. I've been listening to the pod for a while, but I literally pulled over because I just couldn't wait to leave this voicemail. I'm listening to the listener episode where you talk about that you found out you have histamine intolerance and mast cell activation syndrome potentially. And I literally gasped when I was listening to this in the car because I was wondering, I've been wondering what's going on with Kate. I wonder if she's going to share just because I've been going through my own medical journey and I know what that is. Not exactly your journey, of course, but I've been trying to figure out what's been going on for about eight years and recently found out I probably have Aler Danlos syndrome, postural Orthe tachycardia syndrome or pots, which is also common with a lot of people with long covid and histamine intolerance. And MA comes up a lot with people with Aler Danlos. So I have been through a lot of diet adjustments. I have done a low histamine diet. It is really, really difficult. And I just want to say that a lot of people told me, oh, it's good you have answers and I'm glad you have answers. But I also know how tough it is to find out some of this stuff and realize the changes you have to make in your life. And it can be really overwhelming. And I was just thinking of you a lot and yeah, just felt something strong for you when you finally announced that and disclosed that. So I hope it's going okay. And yeah, thinking of you from Charlottesville, Virginia. Bye.
Kate: What a nice message. You had to pull over. That is, I'm very glad, honestly that you practiced really good phone safety while driving. Totally. So thank you for doing that. That means a lot to me. I get very upset when I see people on their phones driving. So thank you. And thank you for your nice message. Yeah, it is nice to have answers, but also is a big adjustment. So it's There's a learning curve. There's definitely a learning curve for sure. But I'm feeling good. I told you that I had my, did I tell the podcast that I finally had my MRI?
Doree: You told me, but you did not. I don't think you told the podcast.
Kate: Well, Podcast, I did it. I got my preventative cancer screening. MRI.
Doree: Do you want to Talk about how it went?
Kate: It went fine. I haven't heard back from anybody who's reviewed the scans. I'm not expecting anything bad, but if that happens, that's something I will process. But I took a Xanax, everybody was super nice at the MRI place, and I feel I'm really glad I did it. And then weirdly, I saw a new doctor. I just saw a new primary care doctor recently, and they were like, I was telling them about my family history and they were like, there is a pancreatic cancer screening program at Cedars. And I was like, you should do it. And I was like, I just did it. And I felt very on top of things, which was really nice. But the MRI was manageable and the Xanax really helped and the deep breathing and I just tried to meditate my way through it and it was okay.
Doree: Good.
Kate: Yeah, it's a tight squeeze do I'm not going to lie, but worth it.
Doree: Good. I'm really glad.
Kate: So it's been a year of health stuff. I'm just health stuff. Just the tip of the iceberg. Okay. Here's an interesting question, Doree, a text message that we received. How do I get over luxury imposter syndrome? I just booked a fancy hotel stay for my anniversary, and now I feel like I'm not fancy enough to be there. I was looking forward to it, but now I'm just anxious.
Doree: I get this, but you booked it. You belong there. You belong there as much as anyone else. Enjoy it. Enjoy the fanciness, enjoy the luxury, lean into it. No one's judging you. It's going to be great.
Kate: What Doree said. Yeah, I mean, I think if you want to dig deeper into why it's triggering the anxiety, all of us, there's so much stuff that is ingrained with money class, the ways and the hows with which we were raised, values. I mean, all this stuff is just like boom, boom, boom. All of it comes up anytime we are in these situations. So I agree, enjoy it. That being said, if you don't feel like you can enjoy it, cancel it and go somewhere else.
Doree: Also true.
Kate: Just do what's going to be the best makes you have whatever you need this anniversary stay to be, make it that.
Doree: Yeah. I guess I was just thinking kind of lean into whatever compelled you to book a stay at this particular hotel. Was it a spa? Was it the setting? Was it the rooms and just that's why you wanted to go there.
Kate: Yeah.
Doree: You'll enjoy it. You'll have a great time.
Kate: You will. When I first moved to Los Angeles, we went to a Emmy's party thrown by an agency, and I wore jeans, and then we got there and everybody's in basically black. It was like gowns.
Doree: Which is funny too, because in LA you never know. You could either be completely underdressed or completely overdressed.
Kate: Yes.
Doree: Half the time you show up to something in a cocktail dress and people are in jeans and hoodies, and then you show up in jeans and hoodies and people are like, oh
Kate: Yes. And I was like, what the fuck have I done? I was so horrified. And then I realized nobody is paying attention to me.
Doree: No, Nobody gives a shit.
Kate: And I was able to kind of let it go, but I had this moment of like, oh God, what have I done? So I understand that weird out of place feeling.
Doree: Yeah, of course.
Kate: We had a lot of people write in about our high school reunion talk, which now I'm having a hard time remembering if we talked about this on our main feed episode or a casual chat episode.
Doree: Oh, that's a good question. Now don't remember either,
Kate: But I wanted to just kind of bring this conversation to the main feed.
Doree: Okay.
Kate: Doree and I were reminiscing about reunions and you were wondering if you should go.
Doree: Well, no. So there were two aspects of this.
Kate: Okay, break it down.
Doree: One was I was pretty sure I wanted to go to my college reunion. I had talked about it with some friends. Who knows if we will actually end up going, but we had had a conversation that we would like to go. High school. I brought up because I was wondering if my high school class was uniquely Gen X slacky in that we barely plan reunions. I've been to one reunion and I think maybe there's been another one, but it's not really a thing. Also, I think contributing to this is our high school didn't have class president. We had none of that. So there's no one in charge of running the class. You know what I mean? And it's all very ad hoc and there's nothing, there doesn't seem to be any sort of office at our high school that organizes this, which is weird because there's a lot of famous people who went to my high school like Conan O'Brien, and there's people who would probably contribute a lot of money. And it seems weird to me that there's no one, but it's a public school, so maybe that's why, I don't know. Anyway, there's no outfit that seems to be,
Kate: there's like alumni foundation.
Doree: No, Exactly. That seems to be coordinating these unions. So it's sort of up to each individual class to organize something. And my class has always just been meh.
Kate: And you not to be clear, you're Not like, I'll take It on.
Doree: Oh no, no, no. Right. And I was like, and I'm not taking the initiative either. So I was like, is this just our class the year? Is this something unique to people born in 1977? Is it my school? Is it me? Is it, what is going on here? And so that was kind of the tenor of the conversation regarding high school.
Kate: Well, it turns out you're not alone.
Doree: I loved seeing these emails come in.
Kate: You relieved?
Doree: I was.
Kate: It's not just us, it's this whole generation. Okay, so we got a few messages. Here's a cute one this person wrote, my husband and I met again at our 10 year high school reunion and started dating soon after, together 17 years, married, 14 years, have known him since I was in fifth grade. My class is not apathetic, 1996, but the class before and after always wants to join us in reunions, LOL. Okay. Now I want to write a book about this, although I'm sure one's been written, but yes, a reunion romance.
Doree: I mean, isn't that one of the biggest tropes of all time?
Kate: But I still want to write it. I love the like, haven't seen you in 30 years. You were this person and I was this person in 1995, and now here we are, baby.
Doree: I will say, I think I've mentioned this before, but when I was in my early, no, when I was in my mid twenties, I hooked up with a guy that I'd had a crush on in high school and it went very badly.
Kate: Oh No.
Doree: Yeah, it was not a romance. It was not a romance novel.
Kate: Oh, that's the worst.
Doree: Yeah. It wasn't great
Kate: Because you only want that situation to go well, like this listener had. Of course, you only wanted to end in sexy marriage.
Doree: Yes. And I think initially you both get very caught up in all of that.
Kate: Sure.
Doree: But yeah, no,
Kate: I'm sorry.
Doree: It's okay. Should I read this next email?
Kate: Yeah, you Should.
Doree: Okay. Yeah. It's not just Doree's class. I'm a 79 baby and my high school class has not held a real reunion. I think it's deaf, the cusp, end gen X of it all. Plus I went to a big high school in New Jersey just outside of NYC in a town divided geographically in half, either one side more suburban white middle class, and the other more urban working class and racially slash ethnically diverse. There wasn't a big core unified social scene. And as much as I hated being there, I appreciated that you could find your people and opt out of whatever else was going on. A small group of people who had played sports and been into school spirited things, tried to throw a 20 year reunion and it ended up being just their social group at a local telling restaurant. One of them owns, they didn't really exclude anyone, but no one else was interested for 10 years. A few friends I stayed in touch with got together for a low key hangout and made a playlist of all our important songs from high school. I think we also played Guitar Hero. It was 2008, but that felt like more than enough commemoration for me.
Kate: Okay. The athletes who were into school spirit getting together and throwing their own reunion and nobody else going is so on the nose.
Doree: Yeah. I mean, this actually resonated with me a lot because this sounded a lot like the high school I went to was very, very diverse. Ethnically, racially, socioeconomically. And I mean, maybe that's part of it too. Maybe when you have a more homogenous high school population, you're more inclined to want to reunion. I dunno. I dunno. That was an interesting just EC data point for me also. So thank you for sharing that. 79 Baby.
Kate: Well, we have a 77 baby who wrote to us, dear Kat and dor laughing because I was born in 77 and had the same experience with having the distinction of being in the year known for its apathy. The students a year ahead in junior and high school were very active in groups and activities, but we were too cool for school. My only theory is that my class is much smaller in size than the other classes, so we had less cohesion. I also think it's interesting how large groups of people can have one distinct personality.
Doree: Totally.
Kate: How a group that's just brought together by school grade, that is the one thing that unites all of you. But yet the entity can have a vibe.
Doree: Yes, yes, yes. But also this person is right that there was a baby bust in the late seventies.
Kate: You mean everybody was boning in the late seventies or Nobody was?
Doree: No, that the number of babies born went down because
Kate: Of, wasn't there a recession in the late seventies?
Doree: There was a recession, there was the 1974 oil crisis, but there was a huge baby boom for years. And then, I mean, I think one of the hallmarks of Gen X is that we were part of the baby bus.
Kate: I see.
Doree: But what this person says about the students a year ahead being very active also rings true for me. It's so weird that that class did feel very cohesive. There was a huge group of theater kids in that class that were very dominant in our high school drama scene. And then in our year it was like me and a couple other people, but it wasn't super cohesive or active. I don't know. It's weird. Maybe I'm the problem. It's me. I dunno.
Kate: You're not the problem. I don't think you set the tone for your thousands.
Doree: I set the tone.
Kate: How many kids for
Doree: My whole generation across the country. I set the tone.
Kate: The whole generation, not just the class, the entire Gen X, generation generation. How many kids were in your high school graduating class?
Doree: 450, something like that.
Kate: Cool. Mine was significantly smaller, but
Doree: I mean, I do think that that's part of it. Right? I didn't know everyone. I sat next to someone at graduation who I'd never seen before in my life.
Kate: Wow.
Doree: I was literally like, who are you?
Kate: Who were they? Did you ever figure it out or have you ever heard about them again?
Doree: No, it was just a kid. Just some guy. I never had any classes with him. Just not someone I knew.
Kate: That's the beauty of a big school. And then you go back to reunion and that's the guy you see again, and then you get married like the listener.
Doree: Wow.
Kate: If I'm writing this story.
Doree: Yeah, it's interesting.
Kate: It's interesting. Well, if you have reunion thoughts, please weigh in. I love hearing about reunions, reunion drama. I got drunk at my fifth year high school reunion.
Doree: Oh, you were a baby?
Kate: Yep. I was young. I was young and I got pretty drunk. Wow. Yeah. And I was drunk talking to the head mistress because I went to a private school. Yeah. Not the best move on my part,
Doree: But also, who cares? You weren't also funny adult that she was at your reunion.
Kate: Well, this is private school's. Fucking weird. I think the teachers come to the reunion sometimes.
Doree: Oh really?
Kate: Yes.
Doree: Fascinating.
Kate: I know. Alright, let's take another break.
Doree: Yeah, let's take a break. Okay.
Kate: So Doree, last week I had said I wanted to clean up the dumping corner of my room. And I did it. I did it. I did it while my family was watching the Super Bowl, and I was like, not me. I'm cleaning up the dumping corner. And I did it. Then I organized drawers. Now there's still a bunch of stuff dumped around, but I did clean up the dumping corner and I made some spots where I can put things away. But now my next clean out zone is the expired medicine throughout the house because there's just a lot of it. There's a lot of it.
Doree: Don't forget to check your pet's expired medicine because
Kate: Oh, good call
Doree: The other day. So bot takes Prozac regularly, so that's always up to date and current. But we also have a Trazodone prescription for him for especially high stress events, and he doesn't take that very often. So the other day I went to give him some, for some reason I took out this bottle and I was like, oh, this expired in 2017.
Kate: Oh my Gosh.
Doree: We had another bottle that was newer. Just this random bottle had somehow just ended up never getting used up. I was like, oh man, probably should throw this out.
Kate: Oh God.
Doree: So yeah, so check your Pets.
Kate: Okay. That's a very good call. And any covid tests you have lying around.
Doree: Yes, yes. Although they aren't not, you don't have to throw them out on the date that they Expire, right?
Kate: No, but I think a lot of them have been stickered to show the updated timeline of usage.
Doree: Oh, interesting. Okay.
Kate: At least some of the ones that we've got gotten from various schools and government organizations.
Doree: I went to the library the other day and I was reminded that you can get free covid tests. I don't know if this is everywhere, but in California you can get free covid tests at the library.
Kate: Oh, that's awesome. I didn't know that.
Doree: Just fyi. Kate, what do you have going on this week?
Kate: It's the expired medicine.
Doree: Oh wait. Oh, it's the expired medicine. Yes, yes, yes. Sorry. That's exciting.
Kate: Okay, now Doree, how did it go? Not letting life stress take over.
Doree: Oh, Kate. It's going terribly.
Kate: Sorry. I dunno why that got me, but that got me good.
Doree: I mean, it's going terribly. I dunno what else say It is kind of taken over my life.
Kate: You've got a lot of shit happening right now.
Doree: We're soldiering on and it actually dovetails with my intention for this week. So on excellent adventure. Matt and I were talking about, I was just talking about how I don't like to have people over. In addition to having a dog who's insane, our house is just always such a mess and blah, blah, blah. Cut to yesterday or the day before, I get a flurry of texts from my sister-in-Law. Now my sister-in-Law has cancer and we talk all the time, but she's sick. So when she tells you to do something, you're kind of like, I should do that. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?
Kate: It does make sense.
Doree: She was like, you and Matt need to clean your house.
Kate: Wait, Did she just randomly text you out of the blue or had she heard She had listened to the episode?
Doree: She listens to our podcast. She listens to Excellent Adventure.
Kate: So she called and she said, girl, clean your house.
Doree: She's texting me and she's like, you guys have to clean your house. It's going to clear away a lot of mental blocks for you. You need to do it. And I was kind of annoyed a little bit, you know what I mean? Just because like a petulant teen.
Kate: I don't want to clean my house. Yeah,
Doree: Yeah. I don't want to, it's hard, which it's, you don't, don't understand. It is, and I'm a little depressed, so it makes it even harder. But I was like, oh,
Kate: Well
Doree: Allison's telling me to clean my house. Guess I should clean it. So that's my intention for this week. Al, if you're listening, you're very inspiring.
Kate: Wow, Alison, please feel free to call me and tell me to do stuff. I'll listen to you also.
Doree: Alright. Forever35 is hosted and produced by me, Doree Shafrir and Kate Spencer, and produced and edited by Sam Junio. Sami Reed is our project manager and our network partner is Acast. Thanks for listening, everybody.
Kate: Have a great day.